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Sam Harris is Closing His Patreon Account – Is Patreon Being Ethical?<\/strong><\/h2>\n
Just as I’m ramping up my Patreon account to crowdfund Think Bigger Think Better<\/a>, I learned\u00a0<\/span><\/span>Sam Harris is closing his Patreon account<\/a> with the following note:\u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0 \u00a0\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
“Dear Patreon Supporters<\/em><\/div>\n<\/div>\n
As many of you know, the crowdfunding site Patreon has banned several prominent content creators from its platform. While the company insists that each was in violation of its terms of service, these recent expulsions seem more readily explained by political bias. Although I don’t share the politics of the banned members, I consider it no longer tenable to expose any part of my podcast funding to the whims of Patreon’s \u201cTrust and Safety\u201d committee.I will be deleting my Patreon account tomorrow. If you want to continue sponsoring my work, I encourage you to open a subscription at samharris.org\/subscribe<\/u>.”<\/em><\/span><\/span><\/span><\/div>\n
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Sam Harris – Taking an Ethical Stand<\/strong><\/h1>\n<\/div>\n
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Harris has 9000 contributors on Patreon and makes (according to one estimate) $23,000 to $65,000 an episode!<\/a><\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

So we have to admire Harris for taking a stand for what he feels is right at financial cost to himself.\u00a0<\/span><\/span><\/p>\n

But do I agree?<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

(These are my initial views I’d be interested in a challenge from people who may have thought about this a bit more.)<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

Why is Patreon Closing Accounts?<\/strong><\/h1>\n

I looked into the matter briefly, and the people banned seemed to have alt-right and white supremacist affiliations<\/a>– notably with the Proud Boys which admits only men and advocates for political violence. Not ALL the banned accounts inclined toward violence, Patreon has also ceased allowing pornographers, and one prominent leftie.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n

Is that systematic? It doesn’t look it.<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

Here is the thing freedom of speech<\/span> (which means allowing \u201cfreedom for the thought we hate\u201d –\u00a0Oliver Wendell Holmes) has always excluded incitements to violence.\u00a0<\/span>However, the precise political content does NOT in my opinion matter.<\/span><\/p>\n

As a business ethicist,<\/strong> I’m interested in the ethical behavior of businesses like Patreon (and Harris for that matter.)<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n

First, take my blogs, podcasts, and social media posts (For example: here are the worst ethics scandals of 2018)<\/a>. Am I under an obligation to allow anyone to post comments?\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

No.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

I don’t ban trolls, but I do ban people who insult ad hominem<\/em>\u00a0friends and followers.<\/span><\/p>\n

The alt-right’s right to speak does not require me to give them a megaphone.\u00a0 I have standards. And while I’d welcome a right-wing intellectual, i.e. Bill Kristol, or pseudo-intellectual, like Jordan Peterson, I see no reason why I should give Milo Yiannapoulos a stage.<\/span><\/p>\n

Is Patreon Acting in an Ethical Manner?<\/strong><\/h1>\n

There is a question of whether Patreon is following its own rules<\/a>.\u00a0 Has it advertised itself as a come-one, come-all crowdfunding platform?<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n

No they do not as far as I can tell.<\/span><\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n

Is it using its Trust and Safety rules to axe people with whom it disagrees?\u00a0<\/span><\/em>There would have to be a systematic-looking policy, and given the mix of banned accounts, it doesn’t look systematic.<\/span><\/p>\n

And, Jordan Peterson says some silly and heinous right-leaning things and they haven’t axed him.<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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This doesn’t seem (right now) like an assault on all right-wing users.<\/span><\/p>\n

Here is a thread from a dialog with Patreon CEO Jack Conte.<\/span><\/p>\n

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\nIs it guilty of political bias? <\/span><\/strong>Well, political bias is not unethical. We all have it. Harris has it, I have it.<\/span><\/em>I’m not ashamed to say I find center-left politics more rational and ethical. <\/span><\/p>\n

The guests and books I endorse lean that way also. (To be honest, I’d love a right-wing intellectual on my show – I can’t right now think of one.\u00a0 Rush?\u00a0 Sean-baby?)<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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In a free-market, another crowd-funding site will pop up<\/strong> and (perhaps) appeal to or encourage support for the alt-right.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

And, as you will have read, Trump’s border wall experienced a surge of crowed-sourced funding.<\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n

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Conclusion<\/strong><\/h1>\n<\/div>\n
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From my point of view, it is possible to admire Harris taking a strong stance, but not agree with his reasons for doing so.<\/span><\/p>\n

In regards to my own support page<\/a>, I think Think Bigger Think Better<\/strong> is a very valuable resource, serving followers with in-depth commentary on the most important topics of our time, with well-known world leaders.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n

For me, the purpose of Think Bigger Think Better and funding it through Patreon outweighs the censorship debate. (I hate ads!)\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n

I will continue to monitor the situation as I build my own operation<\/span><\/p>\n

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Thanks for your continued support,<\/span><\/p>\n

Paul<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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